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1099C – do I have to pay tax on forgone debt?

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My question is: Are collection agencies and debt buyers included in the above groups who are allowed to issue a 1099c form? Also what is their deadline for issuing the 1099c? Do they have to prove the debt belongs to debtor?




NASCAR_Devil


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Sub: #1 1099c form
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 03:35

The IRS has for quite some time required banks government entities to issue a 1099C for debt that was forgiven. The IRS thinking has been that if you borrowed money and never paid back the money, then that borrowing should be taxed as income.

Most charged-off debt is sold by original creditors to a debt buyer at a discount. The debt buyer then attempts to collect the debt. Around 2005 or so, there was a change in the IRS instructions that for the first time required debt buyers to issue a 1099c. The Debt Buyers Association was very much opposed to this requirement and filed suit against the IRS (DBA v Snow). The DBA lost that litigation in 2006.

Debt Buyers hate the idea of issuing a 1099c. It is not only an administrative expense but a litigation risk and the DB is subject to fairly burdensome IRS compliance audits.

The holder of the debt has no vote in the matter. They are required to issue the 1099c. The IRS has established a list of eight different situations under which a 1099c must be issued. Those triggers are:

1. A discharge in bankruptcy under Title 11 of the U.S. Code for business or investment debt

2. A cancellation or extinguishment making the debt unenforceable in a receivership, foreclosure, or similar federal or state court proceeding.

3. A cancellation or extinguishment when the statute of limitations for collecting the debt expires, or when the statutory period for filing a claim or beginning a deficiency judgment proceeding expires. Expiration of the statute of limitations is an identifiable event only when a debtor's affirmative statute of limitations defense is upheld in a final judgment or decision of a court and the appeal period has expired.

4. A cancellation or extinguishment when the creditor elects foreclosure remedies that by law end or bar the creditor's right to collect the debt. This event applies to a mortgage lender or holder who is barred by local law from pursuing debt collection after a power of sale in the mortgage or deed of trust is exercised.

5. A cancellation or extinguishment due to a probate or similar proceeding.

6. A discharge of indebtedness under an agreement between the creditor and the debtor to cancel the debt at less than full consideration.

7. A discharge of indebtedness because of a decision or a defined policy of the creditor to discontinue collection activity and cancel the debt. A creditor's defined policy can be in writing or an established business practice of the creditor. A creditor's practice to stop collection activity and abandon a debt when a particular nonpayment period expires is a defined policy.

8. The expiration of nonpayment testing period. This event occurs when the creditor has not received a payment on the debt during the testing period. The testing period is a 36-month period ending on December 31 plus any time when the creditor was precluded from collection activity by a stay in bankruptcy or similar bar under state or local law. The creditor can rebut the occurrence of this identifiable event if:
1. The creditor (or a third-party collection agency) has engaged in significant bona fide collection activity during the 12-month period ending on December 31 or
2. Facts and circumstances that exist on January 31 following the end of the 36-month period indicate that the debt was not canceled.

Significant bona fide collection activity does not include nominal or ministerial collection action, such as an automated mailing. Facts and circumstances indicating that a debt was not canceled include the existence of a lien relating to the debt (up to the value of the security) or the sale or packaging for sale of the debt by the creditor.

It is hard to know which event triggered the issuance of your 1099c -- it could easily be #3 or #7. Trigger #8 is the biggie that is going to the driver of a great deal of this activity.

The DBA and the ACA have asked the IRS for guidance on all sorts of questions about how they are to prepare the 1099c. There are probably a thousand questions about what if this or what if that. Right now, no one really has any answers. The IRS has said they will probably respond to these questions sometime in 2008.

Until then, all you can do is look to the IRS instructions for guidance.


Now, I'll share some personal thoughts and perspectives and guesses:

1. The issuance of the 1099 is not voluntary. The DB is subject to penalty for failure to issue the 1099c if it hits one of those trigger events.

2. I think the most debate will be in regard to debts that have not been validated. Forgetting for a minute that there is no consensus for how to define validation, there is absolutely no out in the IRS instructions for the DB to get around issuing a 1099 for a debt that has been disputed.

3. A debt that has been disputed and not validated does not mean that the debt never existed. It only means that the DB did not jump through certain administrative hoops. Those might be meaningful hoops for some purposes but those hoops are not grounds for failing to issue the 1099c. I think the DB would gladly bury those 1099s in a box in the basement if they could get away with it. I do not think the IRS is going to let them get away with it come time for the compliance audit.

4. There are zillions of debts in the portfolios of debt buyers where the DB has lost contact with the debtor. To me this is a very similar situation to the zillions of bank accounts where the bank has lost contact with the depositor. The IRS has a pretty consistent policy that I think will be applied in both situations -- send the 1099c to the address you got. The ones that get returned will go in a box to show the auditors. Otherwise, the IRS will then match up the IRS copy of the 1099 to the tax returns using the social security number. The IRS is very good at this. The taxpayer will get a bill for additional taxes for a 1099 they never knew about.

5. I recently had a interesting discussion with a fellow who thought that the issuance of a 1099c was continuing collection activity and thus an fdcpa violation. I have a hard time making that one fit from a logic perspective. Continuing collection activity means some sort of action intended to provide leverage or gain to the creditor in contravention of the FDCPA. I don't see a 1099 falling into that category -- it does not provide leverage or gain to the creditor. Certainly, it is not a voluntary action. It would be very difficult for me to see a federal judge punishing a DB for doing exactly what he was told to do by the IRS.

6. The IRS has been absolutely clear that a 1099c should not be issued in cases of identity theft. Not even the IRS expects someone to pay taxes on a benefit they never received. Anyone who has been a victim needs to be sure they had jumped through all the hoops with their creditors.

7. The area where everyone will be sharpening their teeth will be the notion of a "fraudulent 1099c". The adjective fraudulent is defined as: characterized by, involving, or proceeding from fraud, as actions, enterprise, methods, or gains. When people use the term fraudulent I think they really mean "in error" or most likely "I don't agree because no one ever proved to me (fill in the blank)".

8. As I read the instructions, the short version of what the IRS says about defining the amount of the debt to be reported on the 1099 is "everything less accrued interest and other penalties and fees" -- which says to me principal. But, I can think of several different ways to define principal for an old credit card. Which one? No one knows yet. The DBA and ACA are cautiously hopeful that the IRS will give them a definition they can work with. This could be a challenge as many of the older debts have no real history any longer and it is not exactly clear what part of the balance is principal and what part is something else. I have no idea what the DBs will do if the IRS does not provide guidance on this question.

9. Of course, nowhere in the IRS instruction does it specify that reporting the debt as forgiven means that it cannot still be collected or sold to someone else and collected. The General Counsel of the IRS has pretty explicitly stated that the issuance of the 1099c does not prohibit subsequent collection of the debt. Unsaid, but I think, logical, is the notion that a subsequent collection would trigger an amended or corrected 1099c to reflect the subsequent event.


I know this was probably a whole lot more than you wanted. Regardless, there will be many more folks following in your steps and dealing with this same issue. The quicker people get to thinking about this, the more helpful it will be.




Unregistered

Sub: #2 CAs never informed me about 1099c form
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 16:12

Thanks for your explanation. It is informative. That took a lot of time.

No collection agency has told me I am getting a 1099C. My debts are about to be SOL and I worry I will be issued a huge inflated 1099c for several old credit cards with original balances at $6000, total. (now they collection companies say I owe $21,000...interst and fees)

I am concerned with what time frame and dead line a collection agency can send a debtor a 1099c. The IRS needs to specify a dead line, such as 2 years after the SOL, or something. If they don't, the collection agencies will be issuing 1099C forms for decade old debts that can't prove belong to the debtor.


If they issue 1099C forms to people for old debts back into the 90s there will be a big problem with fees, interest, and what the original debt default amount was and what the debt was for. There will be a problem with divorced people saying the ex is responsible for the old debt.

I think people will be declaring bankruptcy becasue they can't afford taxes on old debts with inflated fees and interest.




Unregistered

Sub: #3 1099c - learn to save tax
Wed, 10/15/2008 - 19:58

I just had an interesting course in 1099C... when you do receive them have your tax person find out if you were insolvent at the date of cancellation, it is an extra step but that way the whole amount is not taxable, if you can prove insolvency up to the full amount then nothing will be taxable.




Unregistered

Sub: #4 1099c form for a debt on car
Thu, 11/06/2008 - 16:26

We never got a 1099c for an old car loan, 2 years later the Federal sent us notice we owed $1400. We paid it and now, 2 more years later (4 total) our state wants 700 + 400 in interest!! I find it rather crooked on the governments part to charge me interest when I had no clue!




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Sub: #5 1099c information
Sun, 11/16/2008 - 16:33

NASCAR DEVIL YOU REALLY ARE GREAT!!!
YOUR POSTS ARE VERY INFORMATIVE.
ABOUT 1099-C ...
THANK YOU!!! 8) :lol:




Unregistered

Sub: #6 1099c
Thu, 02/05/2009 - 13:53

The question I have is this. If a DB purchases a $5k credit card debt for $100. What the DB didn't know at the time was that the original debt was past SOL. They are now required to issue a 1099C because of the SOL. How can the DB issue a 1099-C for the original $5k when they only have actually $100 into this old account?




Unregistered

Sub: #7 1099c on person deceased for 4 years and after SOL
Mon, 02/09/2009 - 12:06

What do you do with a 1099 on a person who is deceased for going on 5 years? There was never anything filed against his probate. The SOL ran out in 2007? How do I answer to the IRS for this? I was never notified of any cancellation of debt until I received the 1099c this week.




Unregistered

Sub: #8 Subsequent 1099c
Sat, 02/14/2009 - 08:42

Above it states that

"Unsaid, but I think, logical, is the notion that a subsequent collection would trigger an amended or corrected 1099c to reflect the subsequent event. "

This to me could not be correct, because if I pay the tax once on the debt through one 1099c, I should not be liable for it again, regardless of whether or not a different DB purchases it. As I understand it, it's treated as income- I only pay tax on the income I earn that year... anybody know?




Unregistered

Sub: #9 Can I get a 1099c and a collective notice on the same debt?
Sun, 02/15/2009 - 08:26

I received a notice for the IRS that I owe taxes for an unreported 1099c for 2006 from a very old credit card debt that myself and my ex husband had, stating I owe$900+ in taxes and penalities I had disputed this several years ago and shame on me when it never re-appeared on my credit report thought is had been taken care of.

Amazingly, two weeks later a collection company, which I've never heard of sends me a great deal to pay this debt off for less then the amount that was even reported to the IRS.

Two questions can the original debt holder write the debt off, issue a 1099-c, which was never received and sell it to a third party for collection? Can I fight this with the IRS using the new notice from the collection agency which shows a reduced original debt amount than being reported to the IRS?




Unregistered

Sub: #10 1099c from a Foreclosure
Tue, 02/17/2009 - 09:56

If we have not received a 1099c form from the financial institution that foreclosed on us, how can we get one. I have emailed Homecomings Financial, but cannot get through by phone. Is there anywhere to report such lack to the IRS? Do we have any recourse for getting this information in order to file our taxes?

Thank you,
Jennifer




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